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Bush was clearing brush in Crawford when he should've been protecting our country.


<> What an idiotic statement. So what if he was. God man, you are really out of it. Geezz

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unk said:

Bush was clearing brush in Crawford when he should've been protecting our country.


<> What an idiotic statement. So what if he was. God man, you are really out of it. Geezz

So you think the head of our country, after being warned of terrorist attacks, should go on vacation?

Bush has taken 250 days off as of August 2003. That's 27% of his presidency spent on vacation. Although to be fair, much of this time is classified as a "working vacation."

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So you think the head of our country, after being warned of terrorist attacks, should go on vacation?

Bush has taken 250 days off as of August 2003. That's 27% of his presidency spent on vacation. Although to be fair, much of this time is classified as a "working vacation."


<> SO WHAT......you are beginning to sound like a whiny child.

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unk said:

So you think the head of our country, after being warned of terrorist attacks, should go on vacation?

Bush has taken 250 days off as of August 2003. That's 27% of his presidency spent on vacation. Although to be fair, much of this time is classified as a "working vacation."


<> SO WHAT......you are beginning to sound like a whiny child.

SO WHAT? So, Osama successfully launched a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. That's what.

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Bush: Vacation Ruined By 'Stupid Dead Soldier'

August 31, 2005 | Issue 41•35

CRAWFORD, TX—President Bush concluded his summer vacation by holding an informal press conference Monday to address grieving mother Cindy Sheehan, saying "her d**n dead son ruined my whole summer vacation."

Bush

Bush addresses the press during his vacation.

Bush addressed Mrs. Sheehan, who was not present, by saying "a mother should not have to bury her son this way, by which I mean allowing her son's death to destroy his commander-in-chief's one chance to relax and unwind."

Sheehan, whose son Casey died in Iraq in April 2004, has led a vigil outside of Bush's Crawford ranch since early August, urging the immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq and demanding a meeting with Bush.

"This is a terrible tragedy," Bush said. "If this dead soldier of a son had the ounce of sense he needed to keep his worthless ass alive, my last few weeks might have been peaceful. I mourn the loss of the beautiful August mornings, and the sweet afternoons that could have been spent on the porch swing listening to the songbirds. All Americans mourn this loss."

When asked why he has refused to meet with Mrs. Sheehan, Bush said, "Listen, I came here to relax. I want to fish, go biking with Lance Armstrong, play with my dogs, chainsaw some brush, and get back to nature. 'Course, it's hard to do that when you have to constantly listen to the mother of some dummy who didn't have sense enough to stay out of a d**ned war zone."

Bush added: "I'm more exhausted today than I was when I started this vacation."

Security concerns stemming from the presence of the anti-war protesters gathered around Sheenan's "Camp Casey" prevented Bush from making public appearances in Crawford, including ordering his annual cheeseburger at Goode Company Barbeque.

"I was really looking forward to that burger," Bush said. "And I could have had it too, if it wasn't for that soldier getting his stupid ass blown off."

"We're supposed to be over there showing the Iraqis how to get it done, not acting just as dumb as they are with all their stupid dying," Bush added. "I tell you, it feels like every other month since I started this job, somebody gets himself killed just to mess up my holiday."

When asked to address recent public suggestions, including Sheehan's, of immediate withdrawal from Iraq in light of mounting casualties, Bush said, "I don't want to think about that now. We can discuss that back in Washington. For now, let's relax and have a good time."

White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Bush's remarks reflect the administration's stance on casualties.

"I think what President Bush is saying is that, while we certainly owe a debt of gratitude to our fine men and women serving abroad, we don't want the real dumb ones who die to interrupt our precious downtime," McClellan said. "It is the president's opinion, and that of the entire administration, that the best way to honor the brave sacrifices of our fallen soldiers is by enjoying a relaxing vacation and not thinking about their deaths."

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SO WHAT? So, Osama successfully launched a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. That's what.

<> YAH, so what. Clinton should have had Osama when HE had the chance.

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marked said:

Bush: Vacation Ruined By 'Stupid Dead Soldier'

August 31, 2005 | Issue 41•35

CRAWFORD, TX—President Bush concluded his summer vacation by holding an informal press conference Monday to address grieving mother Cindy Sheehan, saying "her d**n dead son ruined my whole summer vacation."

Bush

Bush addresses the press during his vacation.

Bush addressed Mrs. Sheehan, who was not present, by saying "a mother should not have to bury her son this way, by which I mean allowing her son's death to destroy his commander-in-chief's one chance to relax and unwind."

Sheehan, whose son Casey died in Iraq in April 2004, has led a vigil outside of Bush's Crawford ranch since early August, urging the immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq and demanding a meeting with Bush.

"This is a terrible tragedy," Bush said. "If this dead soldier of a son had the ounce of sense he needed to keep his worthless ass alive, my last few weeks might have been peaceful. I mourn the loss of the beautiful August mornings, and the sweet afternoons that could have been spent on the porch swing listening to the songbirds. All Americans mourn this loss."

When asked why he has refused to meet with Mrs. Sheehan, Bush said, "Listen, I came here to relax. I want to fish, go biking with Lance Armstrong, play with my dogs, chainsaw some brush, and get back to nature. 'Course, it's hard to do that when you have to constantly listen to the mother of some dummy who didn't have sense enough to stay out of a d**ned war zone."

Bush added: "I'm more exhausted today than I was when I started this vacation."

Security concerns stemming from the presence of the anti-war protesters gathered around Sheenan's "Camp Casey" prevented Bush from making public appearances in Crawford, including ordering his annual cheeseburger at Goode Company Barbeque.

"I was really looking forward to that burger," Bush said. "And I could have had it too, if it wasn't for that soldier getting his stupid ass blown off."

"We're supposed to be over there showing the Iraqis how to get it done, not acting just as dumb as they are with all their stupid dying," Bush added. "I tell you, it feels like every other month since I started this job, somebody gets himself killed just to mess up my holiday."

When asked to address recent public suggestions, including Sheehan's, of immediate withdrawal from Iraq in light of mounting casualties, Bush said, "I don't want to think about that now. We can discuss that back in Washington. For now, let's relax and have a good time."

White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Bush's remarks reflect the administration's stance on casualties.

"I think what President Bush is saying is that, while we certainly owe a debt of gratitude to our fine men and women serving abroad, we don't want the real dumb ones who die to interrupt our precious downtime," McClellan said. "It is the president's opinion, and that of the entire administration, that the best way to honor the brave sacrifices of our fallen soldiers is by enjoying a relaxing vacation and not thinking about their deaths."

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"In September 1998, the [Intelligence Community] obtained information that Bin Laden's next operation might involve flying an explosive-laden aircraft into a U.S. airport and detonating it."

"In the fall of 1998, the [Intelligence Community] obtained information concerning a Bin Laden plot involving aircraft in the New York and Washington, D.C. areas."

"In March 2000, the [Intelligence Community] obtained information regarding the types of targets that operatives of Bin Laden's network might strike. The Statue of Liberty was specifically mentioned, as were skyscrapers, ports, airports, and nuclear power plans."

Maybe the Bush team dismissed warning signals as the discoveries of an overly hyped up Clinton team. But John Dean, a White House counsel under Nixon who has become a guide to deciphering reports on 9/11, says this is unlikely. Condi Rice, Bush’s national security adviser, "stated in a May 16, 2002, press briefing that, on August 6, 2001, the President Daily Brief (PDB) included information about Bin Laden's methods of operation from a historical perspective dating back to 1997."

Rice also said at this briefing that the PDB pointed out that Bin Laden might hijack an airline and take hostages to gain release of one of their operatives. She said the warning was "generalized"—no date, place, or method.

As Dean notes, how could Rice, having known all this, say that the administration had no idea "these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon"?

"In sum, the 9-11 Report of the Congressional Inquiry indicates that the intelligence community was very aware that Bin Laden might fly an airplane into an American skyscraper," says Dean. "Given the fact that there had already been an attempt to bring down the twin towers of the World Trade Center with a bomb, how could Rice say what she did?"

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marked said:

No, I'm suggesting that a competent commander in chief could have prevented it. If you don't see that, you're a moron.

Well, marked, since you can't see that, then by your own definition, you're a moron.
Billy Bob Clinton failed to prevent the first attack on the World Trade Center. Luckily, the van full of TNT didn't detonate as planned and was parked in the wrong location to cause catastrophic structural failure.
During President Clinton's watch, numerous terrorist attacks were not prevented.
Only a moron such as marked would blame that on the President.

Or actually, blame it only on a Republican president and, like a moron, never blame similar incidents upon a Democrat president.
This is the hallmark of a moron like marked.

As for me, I don't blame Clinton for the nefarious acts of others; I only blame Clinton for his response.
Bush responded to the 9/11 attack by correctly identifying the culprits and responding appropriately in Afghanistan.

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marked said:

Bush: Vacation Ruined By 'Stupid Dead Soldier'

August 31, 2005 | Issue 41•35

CRAWFORD, TX—President Bush concluded his summer vacation by holding an informal press conference Monday to address grieving mother Cindy Sheehan, saying ....blah blah blah.

You're a liar, marked.
Just because you read this horsh!t at your favorite leftist website does not mean it's true, and you should not cut and paste it to other websites and spread the lies as if it were.
Shame on you, liar.
Unattributable quotes are the mean machinations of the deluded brilliant, picking upon the weak minded who repeat the lie.
marked is an even-weaker minded dolt that reads the lie and repeats it again.

By the way, dumbazz, The Onion is a total spoof of real news, and consists of mostly 100% imaginary news. I read it weekly, because it's very funny.
If you believe any of it, then you are a total asswipe.

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marked said:

"The Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons."
-- George Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in a speech in Cincinnati.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

****Are you gonna claim, you moron, (like Senator Kennedy did) that Bush deceived Congress while still Governor of Texas about Saddam's WMD's, and had already planned an invasion?
Did Bush mislead Clinton back in 1998 about Saddam's WMD programs?
Just nod your head "yes", marked, and admit that you've been fooled; and are a pawn of Marxists in America.

The mainstream press, after an astonishing two years of cowardice, is belatedly ....

How hilarious. The press, after "two years" of cowardice.... this article was written in 2003. The "two years" means to insult the press for failing to destroy Bush's presidency beginning with his inauguration.
They tried, you moron. They failed. It wasn't cowardice; it was the fact that most Americans (at that time) were not mindless sheep owned by the likes of Dan Rather.

Now, however, the "cowardly" press coupled with the many Bush Administration fumbles and failures have the bulk of Americans decidedly unhappy with President Bush.
It seems to me that you left-wing nut-jobs would pounce upon Bush's real failures, as opposed to the fabricated ones that MSNBC and MoveOn.org keep perpetuating.

LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.

FACT: "There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

Early December. Less than three full months after 9-11. Long, long before Bush began talking about invading Iraq.
Bob Graham, and all others involved, were still operating upon information about Iraq's WMD's from the 1990's. (That's pre-Bush, marked. Try thinking for yourself)

LIE #2:"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.

FACT: This whopper was based on a document that the White House already knew...

FACT: marked is stupid.
This statement was based on British Intelligence reports, just as the quote states. President Bush accurately attributed the claim to the British, who still to this day, stand by the assessment. Never once, as you just lied, did Bush base, attribute, or mention, the fabricated document.
I think that you, marked, are not intelligent enough to recognize that you've been fooled. Or possibly, sir, you do know the truth, but prefer to reiterate the lie.

LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." -- Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the Press."

FACT: There was and is absolutely zero basis for this statement.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

*** Hillary Clinton, Waxman, and Rockefeller surely had complete basis for their statements in October 2002, but Cheney had "zero basis" for a similar statement six months later in March 2003.
Is that your moronic claim. marked?
Seriously, dude, try thinking for yourself.
Democrats who now claim that they were mislead by Bush are liars. It is so EASY and simple to demonstrate that they were saying the same things about Iraq long before Bush was elected to office, and many were demanding military action (which Clinton ineffectually provided during Operation Desert Fox in 1998) that is is simply retarded to think that Bush made the whole WMD issue up.

Of course Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Tenet, Powell, et al over hyped the case. The agenda was for the overthrow of Hussein. But only a lame-brain would now buy the lie that Bush invented the notion that Iraq had WMDs.

CIA reports up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons program.

You posted this horsesh!t, marked. Prove it.
And what do you mean "up through 2002"? Do you mean from 2002 through 2002?
Or do you mean from the 1991 Gulf War through 2002, as has oft been repeated by fans of Hans Blix?
And if so, then how do you account for the numerous statements from Democrats demanding that President Clinton get off his butt and do something through the 90's, culminating in the 1998 bombing campaign?

(***note to marked: Bush wasn't in the White House making up lies about Iraqi weapons and Iraqi non-compliance with UN resolutions in 1998. Try thinking for yourself, marked)

LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." -- CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush.

marked,
If you are truly seeking a governmental official responsible for perpetuating lies, you may have found the right culprit.

President Clinton's appointed director of the CIA, George Tenet, is a piece of crap. I blame Bush for not dumping the arrogant sycophantic buffoon in 2001, just as I would blame Bush for hiring
that clown Brown as head of FEMA.
But that isn't particularly fair; every President during my lifetime has made some astoundingly stupid picks for various department heads.

LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints." -- President Bush, Oct. 7.

And just who, marked, did Bush learn that from?
Tenet?

LIE #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States." -- President Bush, Oct. 7.

I wonder where Bush got this inaccurate gem?
Did "too stupid to eat a booger and goose-step at the same time" monkey-boy idiot dimwit Bush create this cunning deception?
You leftist Bush-hating Democrats need to get your act together; either Bush is Stupid - or Bush is an Evil Genius - or Bush is a Puppet. Good grief, you dolts, pick one and stick with it.
Where would detailed information about Iraqi UAV's originate? With Karl Rove? With FOX News? Or more likely, with the DIA or CIA?
Try thinking for yourself, marked.

LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established." -- President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003, in a national radio address.

FACT: Despite a massive nationwide search by U.S. and British forces, there are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being deployed in the field, or anywhere else during the war.

A lie is a lie, and I fault Bush for repeating lies as much as I fault marked for repeating lies.
In marked's case, the lies originated of a political agenda; in Bush's case, the lies originated of a political agenda.
When Bush said "we have seen intelligence over many months", what intelligence was the President referring to?
Intelligence from the Central Intelligence Agency? Intelligence from a speech-writer?
More crapola from the Clinton appointed CIA director Tenet hoping to hold onto his job?

Or was it once again the dipstick chimpanzee - meniacally evil - class clown - menacing dictator - religious zealot - cocaine addicted party animal - reincarnated Hitler - stupid shrub - privileged - manipulated - manipulative dictator - low IQ - Harvard graduate - chickenhawk coward - world conquerer - D student - tycoon - failed businessman - millionaire - unpopular - twice elected - mastermind - idiot that Democrats keep trying to sell President Bush as?

Try thinking for yourself, at least once, marked.

LIE #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets." -- Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5 2003, in remarks to the UN Security Council.

Did Colin Powell lie?
Yes, he did. His statements to the U.N. have proven to be false. So, are you going to suggest that some chimpanzee, directed by evil madmen, forced the admirable Secretary of State to lie to the world in order to make Haliburton richer and fool Americans into voting against "Reporting For Dooty" Kerry in 2004?
Or, like some semblance of a grown-up, could you imagine that the Executive Branch of government, as well as the Legislative Branch that overwhelmingly supported military action against Iraq (even before Bush became president -- check it out for yourself, marked) were being fed defective intelligence?

Could it possibly be, just as numerous inquiries have determined, that the CIA was in serious fuk-upped mode, and had been for decades?
Could it be that the truth, even as obvious as it is, is irrelevant to Democrats, especially when preferable lies are available?
The apparent answers are: Yes, and Yes.

So, months after the war, we are once again where we started -- with plenty of rhetoric and absolutely no proof of this "grave danger" for which O.J. Smith died.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

Yep, marked, absolutely no proof of this 'grave danger' for which O.J Smith died.

Since we may now conclude that you will not think for yourself, I'll point out the obvious:
1998 - 1999 was BEFORE Bush even became president!

And yet, marked, of compassion and due diligence, I'll again plead:
Try thinking for yourself.
Wonder objectively who may be telling lies.
Consider that all parties involved have been lying all along, and consider the reasons why.

Try, just for once, just for fun, just for your own amusement, just for your own enlightenment, to think for yourself, marked.

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amatx said:

marked said:

"The Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons."
-- George Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in a speech in Cincinnati.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

****Are you gonna claim, you moron, (like Senator Kennedy did) that Bush deceived Congress while still Governor of Texas about Saddam's WMD's, and had already planned an invasion?
Did Bush mislead Clinton back in 1998 about Saddam's WMD programs?
Just nod your head "yes", marked, and admit that you've been fooled; and are a pawn of Marxists in America.


How hilarious. The press, after "two years" of cowardice.... this article was written in 2003. The "two years" means to insult the press for failing to destroy Bush's presidency beginning with his inauguration.
They tried, you moron. They failed. It wasn't cowardice; it was the fact that most Americans (at that time) were not mindless sheep owned by the likes of Dan Rather.

Now, however, the "cowardly" press coupled with the many Bush Administration fumbles and failures have the bulk of Americans decidedly unhappy with President Bush.
It seems to me that you left-wing nut-jobs would pounce upon Bush's real failures, as opposed to the fabricated ones that MSNBC and MoveOn.org keep perpetuating.



FACT: "There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

Early December. Less than three full months after 9-11. Long, long before Bush began talking about invading Iraq.
Bob Graham, and all others involved, were still operating upon information about Iraq's WMD's from the 1990's. (That's pre-Bush, marked. Try thinking for yourself)


FACT: marked is stupid.
This statement was based on British Intelligence reports, just as the quote states. President Bush accurately attributed the claim to the British, who still to this day, stand by the assessment. Never once, as you just lied, did Bush base, attribute, or mention, the fabricated document.
I think that you, marked, are not intelligent enough to recognize that you've been fooled. Or possibly, sir, you do know the truth, but prefer to reiterate the lie.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

*** Hillary Clinton, Waxman, and Rockefeller surely had complete basis for their statements in October 2002, but Cheney had "zero basis" for a similar statement six months later in March 2003.
Is that your moronic claim. marked?
Seriously, dude, try thinking for yourself.
Democrats who now claim that they were mislead by Bush are liars. It is so EASY and simple to demonstrate that they were saying the same things about Iraq long before Bush was elected to office, and many were demanding military action (which Clinton ineffectually provided during Operation Desert Fox in 1998) that is is simply retarded to think that Bush made the whole WMD issue up.

Of course Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Tenet, Powell, et al over hyped the case. The agenda was for the overthrow of Hussein. But only a lame-brain would now buy the lie that Bush invented the notion that Iraq had WMDs.


You posted this horsesh!t, marked. Prove it.
And what do you mean "up through 2002"? Do you mean from 2002 through 2002?
Or do you mean from the 1991 Gulf War through 2002, as has oft been repeated by fans of Hans Blix?
And if so, then how do you account for the numerous statements from Democrats demanding that President Clinton get off his butt and do something through the 90's, culminating in the 1998 bombing campaign?

(***note to marked: Bush wasn't in the White House making up lies about Iraqi weapons and Iraqi non-compliance with UN resolutions in 1998. Try thinking for yourself, marked)


marked,
If you are truly seeking a governmental official responsible for perpetuating lies, you may have found the right culprit.

President Clinton's appointed director of the CIA, George Tenet, is a piece of crap. I blame Bush for not dumping the arrogant sycophantic buffoon in 2001, just as I would blame Bush for hiring
that clown Brown as head of FEMA.
But that isn't particularly fair; every President during my lifetime has made some astoundingly stupid picks for various department heads.


And just who, marked, did Bush learn that from?
Tenet?


I wonder where Bush got this inaccurate gem?
Did "too stupid to eat a booger and goose-step at the same time" monkey-boy idiot dimwit Bush create this cunning deception?
You leftist Bush-hating Democrats need to get your act together; either Bush is Stupid - or Bush is an Evil Genius - or Bush is a Puppet. Good grief, you dolts, pick one and stick with it.
Where would detailed information about Iraqi UAV's originate? With Karl Rove? With FOX News? Or more likely, with the DIA or CIA?
Try thinking for yourself, marked.


A lie is a lie, and I fault Bush for repeating lies as much as I fault marked for repeating lies.
In marked's case, the lies originated of a political agenda; in Bush's case, the lies originated of a political agenda.
When Bush said "we have seen intelligence over many months", what intelligence was the President referring to?
Intelligence from the Central Intelligence Agency? Intelligence from a speech-writer?
More crapola from the Clinton appointed CIA director Tenet hoping to hold onto his job?

Or was it once again the dipstick chimpanzee - meniacally evil - class clown - menacing dictator - religious zealot - cocaine addicted party animal - reincarnated Hitler - stupid shrub - privileged - manipulated - manipulative dictator - low IQ - Harvard graduate - chickenhawk coward - world conquerer - D student - tycoon - failed businessman - millionaire - unpopular - twice elected - mastermind - idiot that Democrats keep trying to sell President Bush as?

Try thinking for yourself, at least once, marked.


Did Colin Powell lie?
Yes, he did. His statements to the U.N. have proven to be false. So, are you going to suggest that some chimpanzee, directed by evil madmen, forced the admirable Secretary of State to lie to the world in order to make Haliburton richer and fool Americans into voting against "Reporting For Dooty" Kerry in 2004?
Or, like some semblance of a grown-up, could you imagine that the Executive Branch of government, as well as the Legislative Branch that overwhelmingly supported military action against Iraq (even before Bush became president -- check it out for yourself, marked) were being fed defective intelligence?

Could it possibly be, just as numerous inquiries have determined, that the CIA was in serious fuk-upped mode, and had been for decades?
Could it be that the truth, even as obvious as it is, is irrelevant to Democrats, especially when preferable lies are available?
The apparent answers are: Yes, and Yes.

So, months after the war, we are once again where we started -- with plenty of rhetoric and absolutely no proof of this "grave danger" for which O.J. Smith died.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

Yep, marked, absolutely no proof of this 'grave danger' for which O.J Smith died.

Since we may now conclude that you will not think for yourself, I'll point out the obvious:
1998 - 1999 was BEFORE Bush even became president!

And yet, marked, of compassion and due diligence, I'll again plead:
Try thinking for yourself.
Wonder objectively who may be telling lies.
Consider that all parties involved have been lying all along, and consider the reasons why.

Try, just for once, just for fun, just for your own amusement, just for your own enlightenment, to think for yourself, marked.

Listen dimwad, you can run all the old quotes you want. W is still the one how manipulated the intelligence and rushed us to war. Said it would take at the most "months". Wasted almost $1,000,000,000 and sacrificed over 3,000 American soldiers, wounded over 24,000 more. Killed 100's of thousands of Iraqi civilians. Look at the Downing Street memo's. After that, there's no defending what Bush did. Unless you're a sheep.

[unk]

On and on. Is marked finished yet?