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Post by scheissekopf on May 9, 2008 5:05:01 GMT -5
Here's my biggest gripe, bars. The people of Oklahoma City actually had an intelligent thought (yeah, scary huh). When they wrote up their proposal, establishments that made more that %51 of the money on alcohol had the choice to go smoke free or not. And it passed. Something like that I will support. And we already have the signs posted at bars because of the concealed hand gun laws. But this cluster bomb concept, Nah can't support it. I don't smoke, hate it, but for some reason at the bars it doesn't bother me. Guess it's the massive amounts of alcohol that deaden the feel  But trying to eat a nice dinner and smell it triggers William Wallace mode SO mark me down as a 'No' Vote....again . Most (in fact alot) of the business we get at the restaraunt/bar I work at is from drinkers/smokers and that is the main reason we are still in business after 18 years. I am a smoker, but I don't mind having dinner in a non-smoking establishment. I can wait or I can go outside to my car. Bars on the other hand, the smokers who drink want a cigarette and they should be able too, because if you can't smoke while you're having a drink, you might as well stay home....and what good is that? The local businesses go out of business and for what? Because one cheap-ass pregnant dog wants to have dinner and then see the live entertainment that the establishment offers, but said entertainment is in the smoking section and throws a hissy fit to the city council about this locally owned (18 years) restaurant (which may I add that is far the beaten path from I-40). You are in a bar. People drink, people smoke. It's a bar. If you don't like it, stay home. I hate kids. That's why I don't go to Chuck E. Cheese, Mr. Gattis, or CiCis. CAN supposedly stands for Clean Air Now. It should stand for Coalition of Amarillo Nazis. Hitler tried to do the same thing back in the '30s and early '40s in Germany. Is that what the US is becoming? Whatever happened to free thought, independence, free will, etc??? Like my British friends have said lately is that America is travelling down a dangerous road, and they should know because they've (their country) have done it before. |
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Post by zebrarick on May 9, 2008 8:41:09 GMT -5
How about we abolish stop signs! I have a right to run intersections if I want to.
I think the preposal needs to be rewritten to allow certain types places, like bars, to allow it.
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Post by scheissekopf on May 9, 2008 8:46:21 GMT -5
How about we abolish stop signs! I have a right to run intersections if I want to. I think the preposal needs to be rewritten to allow certain types places, like bars, to allow it. The thing, rick, is that this whole new ban (like the old) was written in haste and these anti-smoking idiots (like before 3 years ago) will finally learn (after this fails again) to draft something substantial for the NEXT time it comes around. |
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Post by zebrarick on May 9, 2008 9:02:51 GMT -5
As usual we have some far to one side views not willing to look at the big picture. Some places like where you work should be allowed to be what it is. While I agree others need to have the ban. Then folks liek you have a choice and realize you accept to work in that environment. If another bar tender does not want to work there they can go to Chilis or wherever the ban is in place.
I think people get over worked on the rights thing. Every right has some sort of limitations be it for public or persoanl saftey etc.
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Post by mattoid on May 9, 2008 11:07:38 GMT -5
IF it does pass, there's a way around the ban. Bars become a private club. And to become a member all you have to do is walk though the door. Since it's a private and not a public establishment, public smoking laws do not apply. See, there's a way around everything..
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Post by karenew on May 9, 2008 11:23:04 GMT -5
here is how another town handled the ban
Minnesota Bars Beat Smoking Ban
By GREGG AAMOT,AP
Posted: 2008-03-06 17:06:25
Filed Under: Nation News
MAPLEWOOD, Minn. (AP) - All the world's a stage at some of Minnesota's bars. A new state ban on smoking in restaurants and other nightspots contains an exception for performers in theatrical productions. So some bars are getting around the ban by printing up playbills, encouraging customers to come in costume, and pronouncing them "actors."
The customers are playing right along, merrily puffing away -- and sometimes speaking in funny accents and doing a little improvisation, too.
The state Health Department is threatening to bring the curtain down on these sham productions. But for now, it's on with the show.
At The Rock, a hard-rock and heavy-metal bar in suburban St. Paul, the "actors" during "theater night" do little more than sit around, drink, smoke and listen to the earsplitting music.
"They're playing themselves before Oct. 1. You know, before there was a smoking ban," owner Brian Bauman explained. Shaping the words in the air with his hands, like a producer envisioning the marquee, he said: "We call the production, 'Before the Ban!'"
The smoking ban, passed by the Legislature last year, allows actors to light up in character during theatrical performances as long as patrons are notified in advance.
About 30 bars in Minnesota have been exploiting the loophole by staging the faux theater productions and pronouncing cigarettes props, according to an anti-smoking group.
"It's too bad they didn't put as much effort into protecting their employees from smoking," grumbled Jeanne Weigum, executive director of the Association for Nonsmokers.
The Health Department this week vowed to begin cracking down on theater nights with fines of as much as $10,000.
"The law was enacted to protect Minnesotans from the serious health effects of secondhand smoke," Minnesota Health Commissioner Sanne Magnan said. "It is time for the curtain to fall on these theatrics."
At The Rock earlier this week, a black stage curtain covered part of the entrance, and a sign next to it with an arrow read, "Stage Entrance." Along the opposite wall, below a sign saying "Props Dept.," was a stack of the only props needed: black ashtrays.
At the door was a printed playbill for that night's program, with a list of names of the people portraying bartenders and security guards. Playing the owner: "Brian."
Courtney Conk paid $1 for a button that said "Act Now" and pinned it to her shirt. That made her an actor for the night, entitling her to smoke. She turned in an understated, minimalist performance, sitting with cigarette in hand and talking to a bass player with the band.
"I thought it was funny that they found a loophole," Conk said. "I'm more of an activist-actor tonight, you could say. I think it's kind of this way of saying what we think about the ban."
While The Rock asks nothing of its actors by way of creativity, a few other bars have been a little more theatrical.
At Barnacles Resort and Campground along Lake Mille Lacs, a "traveling tobacco troupe" dressed in medieval costume on the first theater night. Mark Benjamin, a lawyer who pushed bars to exploit the loophole, wore tights, a feathered cap and black boots.
"Hey, I'm a child of the '60s. I can do a little improv," he said. His improv amounted to speaking in medieval character to other patrons.
In Hill City, Mike's Uptown owner Lisa Anderson has been offering theater night once a week. The bar had a Mardi Gras theme last Saturday, attracting about 30 patrons, most of them in costume.
"I was dressed in a Victorian dress with the old fluffy thing that weighs 500 pounds," she said. "We had some fairies and some pirates and a group of girls -- I'm not sure what they were, but they had big boas and flashy makeup."
Though there were no skits, Anderson said some people "start talking with different accents." She added: "It's turned into the funnest thing I can imagine."
One bar on northern Minnesota's Iron Range, the Queen City Sports Place, calls its nightly smokefest "The Tobacco Monologues."
Proving anew there's no business like show business, Anderson said her theater-night receipts have averaged $2,000 -- up from $500 right after the ban kicked in. Similarly, Bauman said revenue at The Rock dropped off 30 percent after the ban took effect, then shot back up to normal once the bar began allowing smoking again.
He and other bar owners said they plan to continue putting on theater nights.
"There's no question we were struggling," he said. "And we are extremely nervous that this is going to go away, and we will be back to the way it was."
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Post by sj on May 9, 2008 20:51:44 GMT -5
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Post by italianlady on May 9, 2008 21:51:50 GMT -5
"(2) Promote the right of nonsmokers to breathe smoke-free air." That is What it is all about...  Taking ones right away so another one can have thier rights.. Sorry. it's not flying with me  |
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Post by west-texan on May 10, 2008 11:17:36 GMT -5
Clean air is always better than air pollution from cigarettes...that causes cancer and emphysema.
My granddad and his younger brother and my dad's 1st cousin...all died from complications due to emphysema.
They are all guys I miss dearly...and my dad's cousin would only be like 67...if he were still here.
People need to realize how much better they will feel...
And how much more money they will have to spend on better things...
If they quit smoking.
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Post by italianlady on May 10, 2008 23:24:35 GMT -5
from......KFDA News Channel 10, Amarillo
"Smoking Ban - Final Voting Results
Newschannel10.com has just received voting numbers on whether or not to ban smoking in all bars and restaurants within the city of Amarillo:
8,163 voted in favor of the ban
8,401 voted against the ban
All Numbers Are Final"
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by scheissekopf on May 12, 2008 2:41:34 GMT -5
from......KFDA News Channel 10, Amarillo "Smoking Ban - Final Voting Results Newschannel10.com has just received voting numbers on whether or not to ban smoking in all bars and restaurants within the city of Amarillo: 8,163 voted in favor of the ban 8,401 voted against the ban All Numbers Are Final" YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Yay!!!! Indeed. I wish I could have posted this earlier, but last night we were sitting around the bar s tvs and celebrated when the final results were in. Extra thank you to those 238 and even those who voted against. Like john Terry says, "There's still 200 non-smoking restaurants in Amarillo you can go to.". I'm a smoker, and like I've said before is that I don't mind going to a non -smoking restaurant. It's the bars that will hurt my career. You f**k with my income, and I'll be d**ned I'll just ignore it. I'll f**k with you back, somehow, someway. And that actually surprises me with the folks in Austin/Dallas/etc.... As I have said before...I hate kids. I don't like kids and that is why I don't frequent Chuck E. Cheese, Mr.Gatti's, CiCi's, or any fast food place that has a playground. I go to other places. Personal choice. And all places that have a smoking section have a LARGER NON-SMOKING SECTION. All these anti-smoking Nazis either need to stay in their smoke-free home, visit a non-smoking restaurant, or choose a non-smoking section in a restaurant that offers both, because a non-smoker's rights should be the same as a smoker's. (There's a piece of paper called the Constitution). |
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Post by italianlady on May 12, 2008 6:55:20 GMT -5
the anti-smoker posters here will tell you all the bad things about smoking.
they don't deal with the real issue here.
"freedom of choise"
and i bet if they looked in thier own closet, they may be doing things that someone else doesn't like, but has no right to tell them so.
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Post by scheissekopf on May 12, 2008 7:12:56 GMT -5
the anti-smoker posters here will tell you all the bad things about smoking. they don't deal with the real issue here. "freedom of choise" and i bet if they looked in thier own closet, they may be doing things that someone else doesn't like, but has no right to tell them so. I have made the mistake and actually glimpsed inside my cohorts' closet. I do apologize for what you find there. I have NOTHING to do with it. At the same time, I am currently incapable of any coherent thoughts/conversation. I knew when I left the bar 3 hours before ya'll, I would be counting the minutes before ya'lls dumbasses appeared and see who had dropped out of the lineup. Kristi? Rachel? Erica? Kyla?.....Hey, come on talk to me........... |
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Post by horribilis on May 13, 2008 20:41:27 GMT -5
You know what I'd like to ban? The use of the term"Nazi" applied to any persons or groups someone simply disagrees with. Nazi is not a term to be thrown around like that...if we are to remember our history and who the Nazis really were and what atrocities, not merely legislation, they committed, perhaps the terms might not be used so casually. I stopped reading after this post just to express my wholehearted agreement with it. I have studied the history of WWII in depth and if there is anything that infuriates me more than the casual coopting of Hitler, the Holocaust and all things Nazi Germany for the sake of slamming someone who subscribes to a different political belief. Hitler was a mass murderer who is responsible for the deaths of some 50 million people and the greatest upheaval of the 20th century. He followed a policy of mass murder of races of people he viewed as inferior, as a part of a government policy. He didn't discriminate between the elderly, women or children. I wouldn't equate a racist murderer with anti-smoking zealots. If they have pushed too far, push back; that's the way it works in this country. |
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Post by scheissekopf on May 16, 2008 2:48:44 GMT -5
You know what I'd like to ban? The use of the term"Nazi" applied to any persons or groups someone simply disagrees with. Nazi is not a term to be thrown around like that...if we are to remember our history and who the Nazis really were and what atrocities, not merely legislation, they committed, perhaps the terms might not be used so casually. I stopped reading after this post just to express my wholehearted agreement with it. I have studied the history of WWII in depth and if there is anything that infuriates me more than the casual coopting of Hitler, the Holocaust and all things Nazi Germany for the sake of slamming someone who subscribes to a different political belief. Hitler was a mass murderer who is responsible for the deaths of some 50 million people and the greatest upheaval of the 20th century. He followed a policy of mass murder of races of people he viewed as inferior, as a part of a government policy. He didn't discriminate between the elderly, women or children. I wouldn't equate a racist murderer with anti-smoking zealots. If they have pushed too far, push back; that's the way it works in this country. I don't think you have studied WWII as well as you have said. Hitler did wonders for Germany because of post-WWI sanctions on Germany by the Allies (Triple Entente). Germany was poor. I think he had the best intentions for the country and YAY for him. Now, as a people person, I would not hold him in high regard. Yes, he was a good passionate leader (even though he was Austrian by birth to a Jewish mother) until he got over-zealous and started invading countries, exacting genocide, etc. He brought Germany out of shambles into prosperity. His downfall was greed and persecution (and trying to fight a war on 2 fronts). Who knows, if it hadn't been for WWII (which Germany started I know), Germany could be more powerful than the US to this day if Herr Hitler would have stayed focused. Almost everybody condemns Hitler for the bad things (which I agree outweigh the good), but in my book for world leaders, I have to rank him above any president since Reagan. Let the angry retorts begin................... |
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But trying to eat a nice dinner and smell it triggers William Wallace mode 
