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Post by west-texan on Sept 4, 2007 20:22:59 GMT -5
I think some of UT's off the field problems are starting to catch up with them and they haven't beaten a ranked ooc opponent in Austin since 1983. Ouch! That's not a good statistic at all. Also makes me wonder where the Aggies stand on that one. I bet A&M isn't much better off than the Longhorns....on this one.
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Post by marked on Sept 10, 2007 17:10:49 GMT -5
I think some of UT's off the field problems are starting to catch up with them and they haven't beaten a ranked ooc opponent in Austin since 1983. Ouch! That's not a good statistic at all. Also makes me wonder where the Aggies stand on that one. I bet A&M isn't much better off than the Longhorns....on this one. They have now. They also won a national championship since then. You can't blame Mack for scheduling easy ooc games since he has to play OU every year and you never know how good A&M, KSU, Nebraska, or OSU are going to be any given year. Also, if you lose any game, the BCS rankings punish you much worse than they do for having a weak strength of schedule. Having an easy schedule seems to have worked fairly well for USC the past few years. UT is the only school with 10 win seasons each of the last 6 years.
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Post by buffbabe1 on Sept 14, 2007 11:54:55 GMT -5
TCU gave them some fits....too bad there wasn't a mic strapped to Mack Brown's shirt at half time, must have been some inspiring stuff!
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Post by marked on Sept 15, 2007 11:11:10 GMT -5
Texas Bloghorns by: Cygnus
There's an old joke that folks around Texas use to tell, "How many Longhorns does it take to change a lightbulb? Answer: "10" : 1 to change the bulb, and 9 to sit around reminiscing about the good ole days."
That was the general attitude about Longhorn football for decades after Darryl Royal and the 'Horns won their last national championship in 1970. However, once Vince Young came around and helped UT to its first national championship in over 35 years, one would think that attitude would go away. Two years removed from UT's championship, we're already seeing the same attitude creep back into college football fans. The good ole days of Vince Young, and the 'horns can't win without Vince.Vince Young 2006 Rose Bowl
The idea that the Longhorns only beat USC because of Vince Young does have a measure of validity to it. However, the rest of that Longhorn team is grossly under appreciated. It's rare that a champion doesn't have at least one special star on it that leads them to the promised land. But, even rarer is the team that wins a championship strictly on the shoulders of a single player. The last time I looked, it wasn't Vince Young who stopped USC on 4th and 2 in the 4th Quarter. It wasn't Vince Young who had an incredible interception in the endzone. It wasn't Vince getting open and receiving his own passes for 15-20 yards on 3rd and very long to keep a drive alive. For all of Vince's fantastic skill and freakish abilities, he was just the crown jewel of a team that was already studly. The 2005 Longhorns had to live in the shadow of the unbeatable #1 Trojans all year long, and having been in that shadow caused many to not notice what a talented team was playing in Austin that year. If you dissected the 2005 Longhorns by the numbers, you'd see that Vince neither led college football nor the Big 12 in total yards, passing yards, efficiency, rushing, TDs, etc. However, what you would find is a team full of Longhorns that were scoring TDs in every way imaginable at a clip of 50+pts/game. Special teams, defense, and every skill player outside of Vince were routinely taking the pigskin to pay dirt. So, even though Vince was definitely the key catalyst to making the whole team work, he was not the lone, single reason for the Longhorns' success. So I wish people would stop saying how the 'horns and Mack Brown can only with Vince.
So, this leads me to my main point in all of this. The talent on this year's Longhorn team is every bit as good if not better than the 2005 team. I think this year's team is as good as any other team that stands a chance to go to the national championship game and win it. I think where the Longhorns might fall short this year is that 1) the Big 12 is stronger this year, 2) Gene Chizik is no longer the defensive coordinator, and 3) Greg Davis' play calling seems to get more conservative by the second. This team does not necessarily need a Vince Young type to win a championship, but it does need to gel better and quickly to win it all.
It's definitely true that every army needs a field general and every team needs a leader. I won't deny that the Longhorns may be in need of leadership like Young's. I think Colt McCoy could blossom into that kind of leader over the next few years, but I don't think he's quite there yet. I just don't want football critics continuing to say that UT only won because of Vince, and that they'll never be able to do it again until there's another Vince. This is absurd, because whether Vince had played for UT, USC, Army, or Rice, he'd still have been a freak of nature, and he was truly one of a kind freaky. The difference between Young's talent and Reggie Bush's talent was madein the performances of the teams as a whole. The teams determined the outcomes of the championship game. Does anyone ever say that USC will never win another championship because they no longer have Leinart or Bush? It's a new season with new teams. Maybe Vince's team would not be able to beat this year's USC team. Maybe this year's champion would not be able to beat Vince's 2005 team. Things just fall out strangely every year, but I'm usually always confident that the best team was eventually the champion.
I do happen to think that the 2005 USC Trojans were a more talented team than the Longhorns, but I think the Longhorns and Vince played the better game for the championship that year. And, that's the game that matters most. So maybe a more accurate description of Vince's importance to the Longhorns was in his ability to play up to the big games. Yes, the Longhorns will never have another Vince, but neither will anyone else really. Whatever championship the Longhorns win in the future will depend more upon the all-around performance of the team, and not just a single individual. However, I do think that 2005 team deserves more credit outside of just being the championship that Vince won. Look at the numbers for the 2005 TEAM through the season, and tell me that was all Vince.
No one loves Vince more than I, and I had the extreme pleasure of being at the Rose Bowl that wonderful evening (although I was in the opposite endzone of his winning run :-( ). However, I think it's time to move on, and be optimistic about the Longhorns who are playing now and for the future. UT's recruiting is top-notch as always, and UT is still winning 10+ games a year. Vince can join Earl and Ricky in the hall of greatness for UT, and will always be spoken in the same circles with them. Let's look forward to the next legend who will soon join their ranks, and hopefully bring another championship like Vince did.
(How many championships did Adrian Peterson win?) Hook'em!
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Post by marked on Sept 24, 2007 8:13:31 GMT -5
We need to get Major Applewhite on our payroll. I know Mack is loyal to Greg (run it 3 times between the tackles and punt) Davis, but I think Major would be a huge asset to the Horns. And Mack owes him after starting Chris Simms all those times and then asking Major to step in and save the day.
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Post by petiepanzer on Sept 30, 2007 7:36:44 GMT -5
Ouch!!! Smacked down by the wrath of god!!! ;D It seems like the Texas Longhorns must have been castrated into steers before this game. They got beat....at home....by a lowly unranked team....by 20 points. I knew they were overrated, but I thought they were better than that. Maybe the arrogant UT alums will do us all a favor now and kindly STFU . And then, my Alma Mater knocked off the Oklahoma Squatters in Boulder. I may have spoken too soonabout them. I knew Hawkins was a great coach, but I figured it would take him at least 3 years to get his players into the system and firing on all cylinders. I know the score would have probably been 24-10 Squatters if it had been in Norman and that the elevation of Boulder had a lot to do with the score, but it still fels good to win a game against those a-holes. I heard Boulder was rockin' last night and I wish I had been there. I'm still giddy about yesterday between beating OU and seeing Texas lose. The only way yesterday could have been any better would have been if the Corholers, err, uh, huskers had been smacked around by the Cyclones. Hawkins should get Big 12 coach of the year if things continue to go the way they have been and I have no doubt that Colorado will be at the top of the conference within 2 years, which was their rightful place all along...before slick Rick and Barney took the program down into the mud.
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Post by petiepanzer on Sept 30, 2007 7:42:26 GMT -5
Well, the old Red River shootout has lost a little lustre with both schools losing to unranked opponents yesterday. It should be interesting to see where the line will be placed. I'm thinking it should be OU -4.5 to -6.5. I would set it higher, but this is a rivalry game . Head to head, I think Stoops is a better coach than Mack Brown, but the talent seems to be pretty equal at the 2 schools, with a slight edge this year possibly going to the Squatters.
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Post by zebrarick on Sept 30, 2007 18:31:31 GMT -5
UT and OU loosing! What a great week!
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Post by marked on Oct 1, 2007 8:46:01 GMT -5
Ouch!!! Smacked down by the wrath of god!!! ;D It seems like the Texas Longhorns must have been castrated into steers before this game. They got beat....at home....by a lowly unranked team....by 20 points. I knew they were overrated, but I thought they were better than that. Maybe the arrogant UT alums will do us all a favor now and kindly STFU . And then, my Alma Mater knocked off the Oklahoma Squatters in Boulder. I may have spoken too soonabout them. I knew Hawkins was a great coach, but I figured it would take him at least 3 years to get his players into the system and firing on all cylinders. I know the score would have probably been 24-10 Squatters if it had been in Norman and that the elevation of Boulder had a lot to do with the score, but it still fels good to win a game against those a-holes. I heard Boulder was rockin' last night and I wish I had been there. I'm still giddy about yesterday between beating OU and seeing Texas lose. The only way yesterday could have been any better would have been if the Corholers, err, uh, huskers had been smacked around by the Cyclones. Hawkins should get Big 12 coach of the year if things continue to go the way they have been and I have no doubt that Colorado will be at the top of the conference within 2 years, which was their rightful place all along...before slick Rick and Barney took the program down into the mud. Sounds like someone is still a little bitter about the 70-3 arsewhipping the Horns layed on them in the Big 12 Championship in '05. Either that or his shrooms are wearing off. CU is an academic joke. Don't you guys have some female kickers to terrorize?
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Post by petiepanzer on Oct 1, 2007 9:08:40 GMT -5
Ouch!!! Smacked down by the wrath of god!!! ;D It seems like the Texas Longhorns must have been castrated into steers before this game. They got beat....at home....by a lowly unranked team....by 20 points. I knew they were overrated, but I thought they were better than that. Maybe the arrogant UT alums will do us all a favor now and kindly STFU . And then, my Alma Mater knocked off the Oklahoma Squatters in Boulder. I may have spoken too soonabout them. I knew Hawkins was a great coach, but I figured it would take him at least 3 years to get his players into the system and firing on all cylinders. I know the score would have probably been 24-10 Squatters if it had been in Norman and that the elevation of Boulder had a lot to do with the score, but it still fels good to win a game against those a-holes. I heard Boulder was rockin' last night and I wish I had been there. I'm still giddy about yesterday between beating OU and seeing Texas lose. The only way yesterday could have been any better would have been if the Corholers, err, uh, huskers had been smacked around by the Cyclones. Hawkins should get Big 12 coach of the year if things continue to go the way they have been and I have no doubt that Colorado will be at the top of the conference within 2 years, which was their rightful place all along...before slick Rick and Barney took the program down into the mud. Sounds like someone is still a little bitter about the 70-3 arsewhipping the Horns layed on them in the Big 12 Championship in '05. Either that or his shrooms are wearing off. CU is an academic joke. Don't you guys have some female kickers to terrorize? True, 2005 wasn't CU's best year. Of course, I seem to remember another championship game a couple of years earlier where there was this blonde kid from Jersey playing QB for the Whorns that wasn't exactly UT's finest hour, either. So, the pendulum swings back and forth. I guess CU is an academic joke if you consider the toughest admission standards in the Big 12 to be a joke. It also has the most beautiful campus in the Big 12, and the most idyllic setting, but who's keeping track? Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go and find some more 'shrooms, unless, of course, you want to lend me some of that Austin ecstasy or the heroin that is so popular down there. ;D
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Post by marked on Oct 1, 2007 9:19:02 GMT -5
Sounds like someone is still a little bitter about the 70-3 arsewhipping the Horns layed on them in the Big 12 Championship in '05. Either that or his shrooms are wearing off. CU is an academic joke. Don't you guys have some female kickers to terrorize? True, 2005 wasn't CU's best year. Of course, I seem to remember another championship game a couple of years earlier where there was this blonde kid from Jersey playing QB for the Whorns that wasn't exactly UT's finest hour, either. So, the pendulum swings back and forth. I guess CU is an academic joke if you consider the toughest admission standards in the Big 12 to be a joke. It also has the most beautiful campus in the Big 12, and the most idyllic setting, but who's keeping track? Avg SAT for entering freshmen at UT is 14% higher than it is for CU. Of course your officiating crews can't count to 4, so the talent pool isn't too deep.
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Post by marked on Oct 1, 2007 9:27:07 GMT -5
According to Princeton Review, UT has an admissions selectivity ranking of 92, and CU has one of 80. They do have that exciting Churchill guy though.
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Post by petiepanzer on Oct 1, 2007 9:42:36 GMT -5
The ACT scores at CU for entering freshmen is 25, which is a whole point less than that of UT. Let me rephrase my prior statement. When I went to CU, it had the highest admission standards in the Big 8-Big 12, and I graduated the first year of the Big 12. Obviously, membership in a premium conference like the Big 8 has benefitted the U of Texas much more than their membership in the now-defunct SuckWest Conference ever did.
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Post by marked on Oct 1, 2007 9:50:38 GMT -5
You're right, the Big 12 is a much better showcase for the 3rd winningest college football program of all time. And the 15th ranked university in the world.
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Post by petiepanzer on Oct 1, 2007 9:59:16 GMT -5
Now you're starting to sound like one of those UT fans from your previous post in this thread, talking about the past. I take it you are basing that upon their years of accumulating wins against the likes of powerhouses such as Baylor, Rice, Houston, TCU, and SMU. Beating up on small private schools for 70 years is nothing to make one beam with pride, Marked. That is why they usually got blown out in their bowl games or other big non-conference games, like they did against Miami in the Cotton Bowl or when they got whipped by UCLA at home 66-3.
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