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Post by unk on Apr 17, 2007 6:48:19 GMT -5
out.
The killings at the Virgina school would not have ever happened if we would have outlawed all guns years and years ago. The d**n guns have been killing more people here lately than is necessary. Never mind the cars and trucks. I sure don't want to outlaw cars and trucks.....maybe motorcycles though. Airplanes do a lot of killing too. One 0f those suckers go down and walla.! two to three hundred all at once. I think we could ban all large airplane though and go back to the DC3. Sure wouldn't kill as many on one flight. Yep, guns need to be outlawed.
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Post by princessbaybay on Apr 17, 2007 8:27:03 GMT -5
people kill......... outlawing guns will only make a murderer commit murder by other means.
and honestly...if I had to meet a violent fate...I would much rather be shot than stabbed or beat or choked.... and if someone was going to do any of those things to me...I would rather have a gun to stop them before they got that close.
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Post by unk on Apr 17, 2007 8:34:44 GMT -5
people kill......... outlawing guns will only make a murderer commit murder by other means. By jove I believe you are right. We also have to outlaw kitchen knives, hatchets, baseball bats, machetes, 22 rifles, 45 peacemakers, Oh and lets not forget screwdrivers and ice picks. ;D |
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Post by princessbaybay on Apr 17, 2007 8:52:16 GMT -5
no keep all those things and throw the peacemakers in a room together for awhile with said items and see just how peaceful they really are!
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Post by marked on Apr 19, 2007 9:50:38 GMT -5
out. The killings at the Virgina school would not have ever happened if we would have outlawed all guns years and years ago. The d**n guns have been killing more people here lately than is necessary. Never mind the cars and trucks. I sure don't want to outlaw cars and trucks.....maybe motorcycles though. Airplanes do a lot of killing too. One 0f those suckers go down and walla.! two to three hundred all at once. I think we could ban all large airplane though and go back to the DC3. Sure wouldn't kill as many on one flight. Yep, guns need to be outlawed. "Walla"? Maybe we should just make it harder for people who have been adjudicated mentally insane to buy guns. |
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Post by gitpikker58 on Apr 19, 2007 10:02:09 GMT -5
Concealed weapons would make for a more even 'playing' field. Any nutjob wanting easy game would think twice, maybe even thrice, before firing into a crowd if they had a hint that perhaps even one of the 'hopeful victims' was packing.
It is so true, "When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns." What's to keep a murderer from breaking any gun law? Is it a guilty conscience? "Oh gee, I want to kill some people but there's a gun law in effect at the moment, well Wally, it seems I'm gonna hafta wait until it's legal to carry guns on school campuses."
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Post by marked on Apr 19, 2007 10:30:55 GMT -5
Concealed weapons would make for a more even 'playing' field. Any nutjob wanting easy game would think twice, maybe even thrice, before firing into a crowd if they had a hint that perhaps even one of the 'hopeful victims' was packing. It is so true, "When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns." What's to keep a murderer from breaking any gun law? Is it a guilty conscience? "Oh gee, I want to kill some people but there's a gun law in effect at the moment, well Wally, it seems I'm gonna hafta wait until it's legal to carry guns on school campuses." It might reduce the number of people a nut like this would be able to kill, but what are the odds that someone in an 9:00 a.m. French and German classes would be carrying? In the long run, the number of deaths on college campuses would go up. Boys in college binge drink quite a bit. And they fight a lot. Not sure I want them packing heat too. |
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Post by joe on Apr 19, 2007 12:40:39 GMT -5
I think the shooting showed that a big problem with school shootings is the mentality that we should obey the man with the gun and hope he can be talked out of carrying out his homicide/suicide mission. Much like the way we were taught about plane high-jackings.
Just sitting there, awaiting slaughter, makes little sense. Another armed student might have diminished the carnage by shooting the nutcase, but, 10 or 20 unarmed students rushing the shooter would have also diminished the carnage. Of course, I can only speculate on what my reaction would have been if I was in the room.
A friend of mine in Iraq said that with his armor, guns, and other things he would never take on a group of unarmed people while in close proximity. Something about the mob being greater than the gun.
Nothing will stop these types of attacks from the insane but a change in our mindsets from flight to fight might save lives.
With two guns, the nutcase should have just gotten off about 15 rounds before being subdued. Instead, he got off hundreds of rounds. The only one to stop the shooter was the shooter.
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Post by jazzman on Apr 19, 2007 14:29:00 GMT -5
A certain percent of the population uses alcohol irresponsibly, should we therefore ban all alcohol. A certain percent of the population use firearms irresponsibly should we therefore ban all firearms. More people die from the misuse of alcohol than the misuse of firearms but few would advocate the banning of all alcohol, we tried that once and it didn't work.
Tougher gun laws only make it more difficult for responsible people to get firearms. However the law could be improved regarding selling firearms to mental patients. But they would only get them from an illegal source so it wouldn't work anyway. It's the price you pay to live in a free society.
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Post by marked on Apr 19, 2007 16:36:44 GMT -5
A certain percent of the population uses alcohol irresponsibly, should we therefore ban all alcohol. A certain percent of the population use firearms irresponsibly should we therefore ban all firearms. More people die from the misuse of alcohol than the misuse of firearms but few would advocate the banning of all alcohol, we tried that once and it didn't work.
Tougher gun laws only make it more difficult for responsible people to get firearms. However the law could be improved regarding selling firearms to mental patients. But they would only get them from an illegal source so it wouldn't work anyway. It's the price you pay to live in a free society. Tougher laws would have made it harder for Cho to get guns. I'm not saying it would have prevented it, but it would have been more difficult. He might have been caught while trying to obtain a gun illegally. I doubt he had a lot of friends in the black market in Blacksburg. |
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Post by tigerlily on Apr 19, 2007 16:44:19 GMT -5
Unfortunately we can not change what has been done and my heart goes out to all those people who are grieving because of this. I don't think my right to carry a gun should be taken away because of this idiot. It is hard to say what I would have done. My husband and I have discussed why some of the student did not rush him and take him down. But who's to say when your not there. I would hope if I am ever in a situation like that I can find in me to act if possible. Even if it means my own death, so long as I save the other people. I hope I could be that courageous.
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Post by unk on Apr 19, 2007 16:45:21 GMT -5
This gun issue is a "no-brainer". Only stupid people can say the any kind of gun control will stop someone who is hell-bent on getting one. As long as guns are manufactured and sold, no gun control will stop them from getting into the hands of someone who wants to use it.
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Post by horribilis on Apr 19, 2007 21:15:41 GMT -5
Look at all the people killed by random lightning strikes. Let's ban lightning. If only we could figure out a way of predicting where it will strike next - and to get whomever is responsible for it to obey the law. Isn't that where it always breaks down?
I remain puzzled why the reaction to tragedies like this is the proposal of more laws. The perpetrators of such acts have already disobeyed many laws in the process of committing their crime. How would another law make a difference?
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Post by gitpikker58 on Apr 21, 2007 12:49:44 GMT -5
What upsets me is that the little coward took his own life instead of facing judgment, BUT he IS facing judgment by THE Judge! He shoulda had is azz tore up by the parents of all those kids FIRST, then the spouses of the teachers and others, THEN let law enforcement forget their badges for a few moments, and after conviction let him be someone's 'Betty' in prison until he heads home for hell. Does that sound harsh?  Oh yeah, THEN forgive him, but only after he suffers for his idiotic decisions to show his manhood. |
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Post by wse1 on Apr 22, 2007 7:01:50 GMT -5
Maybe you should also ban TORNADO'S and HURRICANES. Sure would save lives and a lot of pain and suffering.
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Oh yeah, THEN forgive him, but only after he suffers for his idiotic decisions to show his manhood.